This was all brand new to me. I was reviewing a syncope patient left over from the night shift before. The hand over was: recent change in anti-hypertensives, now feeling weak and dizzy about 1 week. Syncopal episode at dinner table last night.
She’d been in the department overnight, got some fluids, bloods and an ECG. The ECG was said to be normal.
I went and chatted to the patient and yes indeed it did sound all very like postural hypotension. I went back and looked at the ECG and did my usual syncope ECG review looking for the following:
- intervals – QT and PR
And there it was – a nice big QTc of 550ms staring at me.
I still suspect that postural hypotension was the main cause of her symptoms but it would be a tad on the risky side to call it that in the context of a long QT. K+ and Mg++ were on the low side (3.5 and 0.6) so she got a bit of both and admitted for ECG monitoring.
The interesting bit came in the discussio with admitting doctor who was (for once) interested, enthusiastic and asked about the standing test for Long QT. This was all news to me but effcetively people with a long QT syndrome (LQTS) have an abnormal response in QTc with standing.
In healthy people on standing the heart rate goes up with corresponing shortening of the QT interval. Due to the fact that heart rate goes up more than the QT comes down, the QTc actually goes up slightly,
In LQTS the QTc often goes up substantially.
This paper addresses this concept and while it’s in now waty perfect (ie it examined it in people known to have LQTS which undermines its use as a diagnostic test in undiagnosed QT problems) it suggests that in healthy people an increase in QTc on standing of about 10-15ms is allowed but in LTQS is likely to be in the range of 90-100 ms.
Viskin, Sami, Pieter G Postema, Zahurul A Bhuiyan, Raphael Rosso, Jonathan M Kalman, Jitendra K Vohra, Milton E Guevara-Valdivia, et al. “The Response of the QT Interval to the Brief Tachycardia Provoked by Standing: a Bedside Test for Diagnosing Long QT Syndrome..” Journal of the American College of Cardiology 55, no. 18: 1955–1961. doi:10.1016/j.jacc.2009.12.015. PMID 20116193
- the normal response to standing after lying is an increase in HR. This would normally be accompanied by a shortedned QT. In LQTS this apparently isn’t the case
- The intervention was standing and recording QT changes.
- they did this on high risk LQTS (lots of features but no diagnosis as yet) and those who actually had it genetically documented. The controls were healthy relatives of those pts or volunteers (the vast majority)
- took them off Beta blockers for a day then lay them flat 10 mins and stood them up for 5 mins with telemetry.
- blinded investigator performed the measurement had a set part of the trace. Bazzett’s formula was the main one used.
- excluded the obviously normal and obviously prolonged
- 68 LQTS; 82 controls
- the baseline QTs were 380 v 450 – not diagnositcially different but borderline
- the QT went down in all the normals but less than the RR interval therefore the QTc goes up slightly.
- the QT of those with LQTS didn’t change at all. In some it went up. Or put another way the QTc of the control group went up 13ms while the LQTS patients the QTc went up 89ms
Not something I’m going to be doing every day, but it’s a fairly nice, bedside test that we can apply in the ED.
Absolutely fascinating. Seems like I could get this during orthostatics.
Can’t believe I’ve had this post buried in my Unread folder for almost 10 months. Anyway, I’m so excited to try this out! I might finally be able to get some useful data out of ortho’s besides “symptomatic or not.”
glad you found it eventually. I’ve never had call to use it but it seems like a cool test.
Thank you for this. For many years, I saw cardiologists in Ireland, U.K., France and Iran for both just regular check ups ( CAD in our family )but also for intermittent palpitations. 5 years after the death if my son to SADS, after which I had of course been assessed by experts in the field and subsequently monitored yearly- I was diagnosed with LQTS on a standing ECG , as was one of my daughters. Contrary to what you suggest about the infrequency of using Visken , I would suggest there is a very real need to use it more frequently. It is noninvasive, nononerous and with considerable positive potential including saving lives. Thank you – and you are now in a position to spread the word and influence your peers.
interesting, I heard similar from an electrophysiologist and from memory there seemed to be other conditions which were more obvious/differentiated on a standing ECG. Sadly I can’t remember them 🙂 Would be interesting to get a list together … perhaps the lying/standing ECG may become more common like the lying/standing BP.
Similar thing occurs in 1st degree heart block amongst athletes. 1st degree block is a common finding in the healthy athletic heart (presumed vagal excess) & it gets better when you exercise the patient. As the heart rate rises the block disappears.
So if I have a pt who I think has long QT interval, I should stand them up with ECG leads on. If the QTc goes up then it is likely they have LQTS? In fact if the QT stays the same, ie doesn’t go down, then it is likely they have LQTS. Likely not sensitive but probably good specificity, so useful if you find it — would that be right?
yeah that’s the way i read it too
That’s kinda cool. 🙂 I can feel a prospective study coming on…
unfortunately LQTS likely so rare that you”d not get much +ves on random screening, or even in an ED syncope population